‘Walking Dead’ Shocker: Did They Have to Do That?

'Walking Dead' Shocker: Did They Have to Do That?

No. No, they didn't

(Spoiler alert: Don't read this if you haven't seen Sunday's “Walking Dead.”

Sunday's “Walking Dead,” the zombie drama's darkest episode yet, ended with Carol killing a child. She deemed young Lizzie too dangerous to live after she killed her little sister and almost baby Judith, too.

It was a big moment for “The Walking Dead,” because you never see heroes — or even antiheroes — make a premeditated choice to kill children. In this case, Carol decided it was for the greater good. Lizzie needed to die to make sure she wouldn't kill again.

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Except she didn't need to die. The show killed Lizzie because it was dramatic, not because it made sense. So this felt like yet another big moment this season that the show didn't earn.

The episode, written by showrunner Scott Gimple, was one of the ones that aspires to make “The Walking Dead” about more than who dies next: It was about the difficulty of making ethical choices among violence and scarcity. Times have gotten so dark, the show suggested, that sometimes survivors must kill children to survive.

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In a non-zombie world, a young child who killed another child would get treatment — not be taken outside and shot like a dog. Especially if the child killed after suffering endless, constant trauma.

There don't seem to be any child psychologists wandering the post-apocalyptic countryside. But does that mean Carol and Tyreese had no other options?

The Governor was able to live alongside his daughter for months or years, even after she turned into a zombie. And Michonne is able to drag zombies behind her as she traverses the woods. Tyreese seems to manage with an infant on his back at all times.

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But Carol, a ruthless killer, and Tyreese, who looks like a linebacker, couldn't have kept Lizzie away from knives?

Absurd.

Maybe they would have had to tie her up when they slept. Maybe she would have had to be kept in chains, like Michonne's zombies. What a horrible, wretched spectacle that would have been.

But not as bad as shooting her in the head.

The episode was well-acted. The actress who played Lizzie, Brighton Shapiro, had a terribly sad and convincing breakdown before she died. It recalled the moment in the original “Last House on the Left” when a girl walks into swampy water, knowing she is going to die. It was painful to watch.

Melissa McBride, who plays Carol, was also at her best. The scene were she confessed to the prison killings was outstanding. And she made us believe Carol saw no other way but to kill Lizzie, too.

Lots of kids have died on “The Walking Dead,” from Bicycle Girl to Carol's daughter Sophia. This death was different because it wasn't zombies doing the killing: It was a sentient adult who thought about it first.

I'm not objecting to the death on moral grounds. If Lizzie's death really would have saved others, it was justified.

But I do object on story grounds. The deck was stacked absurdly against Lizzie: She tortured rats, fed them to zombies, and wanted to watch her little sister turn because she saw no difference between walkers and the living.

In a way, she was too empathetic. Walkers, after all, aren't evil: They're just people who had the misfortune of dying. Lizzie was the rare character who allowed herself to even consider that. At least at first, Herschel did, too.

But rather than really explore if Lizzie was too good or too bad, the show copped out by positioning things as if Carol had just one choice. The fact that Tyreese took Carol's side propped up the notion that there was no other way.

Maybe the real reason Lizzie and Mika had to die was because their characters were dull from the start, inserted into the story just to show us how far Carol would go.

It's true, they were annoying. But that was also the writers’ fault.

  • Jonas Grumby

    No one needs to “do” anything.

    But it was brilliant writing and a brilliant moment. Brutally sad, but magnificent story telling.

    • Karen Armstead

      I agree totally.

      • BethSue

        So do I.

    • Bones Malone

      Third here.

    • etoille

      Totally agree

    • Shelly Leit

      Magnificently bad writing and bad storytelling.

  • LF

    Every time I think this show has shocked me for the last time possible, they do it again! I was horrified and stunned. I hadn't considered the possibility that this child would have become so twisted by the dire circumstances surrounding her that she would do such a thing. Part of the fascination with the plot is how everyone deals with the constantly shifting but always present life threatening danger.

  • Buckeye21

    Although the episode was a little traumatizing, killing Lizzie was the most humane thing to do. In my opinion they had three options: 1)kill her 2)leave her there on her own 3)keep her with them. NO they could not have kept her away from knives/weapons (unless chained up & what kind of life is that). They're fighting off killer zombies on a regular basis. How do you expect them to also keep one eye on a baby and the other eye on crazy Lizzie. To quote you….Absurd.

    • tim.molloy

      Would you rather be shot than in cuffs? Not me. There is such a thing as rehabilitation, as we've seen on the show and real life. And we saw this episode that Lizzie can be a big asset when it's zombie killin’ time.

      • Steve Belgard

        Shot, especially if I didn't see it coming. You ever been in cuffs, Tim? Me neither, but it sure doesn't seem like a lot of fun when walkers are around. Was totally fine what Carol did.

        • jdssdj

          Lizzie was too far gone in her delusions to have “understood” the difference between being in cuffs or being shot. In fact if she had been given a choice she probably would have preferred getting shot as a punishment because to her “waking up” as a Walker wasn’t a Bad Thing to her. And that was the crux of the fundamental problem she had.

        • Shelly Leit

          I'm starting to think fans of this show are mostly sociopaths and judging from these comments, it's true. Killing kids or anyone else on this show, for any reason, is not OK, which is why every newcomer the group comes across is asked this question: How many people have you killed? And Rick would certainly not be OK with this… he banished Carol for killing two extremely sick people, not a healthy girl.

          • avnrulz

            Fans of this show understand that these are fictitious characters, with a lot of ethical questions being raised by smart writers. By the guidelines set forth in the ‘reality’ of the show, the ultimate, though psychologically and emotionally rending decision made by Carol was not something she chose to do, it was something she had to do. Lizzie had proven she was a danger to herself (playing tag with a walker) and others (killing Mika, attempting to kill Judith). In ‘our’ reality, she'd still be taken out of society for killing her sister, by being institutionalized in some way, shape or form, which, unfortunately, Carol and Tyreese don't have that luxury.

          • Roy

            Shelly? really? You call Lizzie's condition healthy? wow! If you think killing your sibling is a picture of health, then please be the first in line to adopt her as your own.

          • Kyndra

            Rethink your statement using the scenario that if Rick found out that Lizzy almost killed Judith… twice… absolutely Rick would have been ok with shooting Lizzy

          • marco.marcano@norfolk.gov

            you are 100% right

      • jdssdj

        There might have been “rehabilitation” for Lizzie in a pre-apocalypse world but not now. She literally couldn't comprehend the reality that the walkers aren't just “misunderstood” but are the primary Enemy (big E) of all living people in general. A person deluded enough to kill her own sister (and almost a baby) in favor of Walkers would be capable of killing anyone else at any time. Putting her down was a tragic moment for Carol and Tyreese but it was a mercy for Lizzie and anyone else she might have hurt in the long run. And a far as Lizzie being a “big Walker-killing asset” it's clear that she could kill Walkers and other people when forced to but whenever she had a CHOICE she always let dangerous Walkers “go free” (or even encouraged them by feeding them like pets) to potentially kill people later on. Not exactly the “asset” she should have been.

        • vick

          I agree,would u leave her to be on her own? no she would of gotten killed by her “friends” the walkers or turned into a bigger sociopath than she already was.

      • BethSue

        They had already tried to “rehabilitate” Lizzie. She even claimed that she finally understood. What more were they to do? Let a walker bite her so she could find out first-hand?

      • Meg Hinley

        Survey says you're wrong, Tim. Sorry. I'd think after watching 4 seasons of this show, you would realize
        there are worse things than dying from a quick, clean shot in the head.

        Without proper counseling and treatment, do you really think tying
        up Lizzie every time she couldn't be supervised would make her safer?
        No, it would probably make her crazier, and more defiant. Or she might
        have decided to escape, only to “befriend” walkers and end up dying a
        horrific, grisly death being torn apart and devoured by them. Or,
        walkers could have invaded in the night while she was bound and
        defenseless, to be torn apart and devoured anyway.
        Nice try, Mr. Molloy. Well no, not really. You didn't put much thought at all into your opinion.

    • Karen Armstead

      I agree. Not to mention trying to protect the baby.

    • LF

      Yes. And unfortunately, childhood is a luxury that is no longer practical for survival. They demonstrated that well with Carl. And Carol did her best to instill that survive-at-all-costs attitude that is apparently required.

      • Shelly Leit

        So kill all the kids then. Carl certainly deserves it. He shot someone he didn't have to shoot. Death sentence for Carl.

        • Eric

          Your talking about a group of people stuck with kids that arent their own that are causing a substantial risk to their survival. Before I realized they didnt kill the infant but had her on their backs, I could even see them justifying that. Plus children who are sociopathic rarely ever change for the better.

          • Eric

            Your talking about a survival of the fittest situation here. Humans have eaten their young in the past so the adults survive. In the colonial time the parents bed was closest to the hearth.

        • avnrulz

          When Carl shot the Woodbury teen, he had reason to believe he and the group were still threatened, because if the teen really was sorry for the attack, etc, he would have put his weapon down sooner. Lizzie was unhinged and becoming dangerous to the group and herself, as illustrated by the attempted killing of Judith and the needless killing of Mika.

    • Kim

      Plus you don't need a knife to kill a baby. Lizzie almost smothered Judith right after they escaped the prison.

    • etoille

      So true.

    • Shelly Leit

      Yeah, how tough it would have been if they had to sit down with her and really explain things and maybe keep their eyes on her at all times instead of constantly leaving her alone with the BABY. Bad, stupid adults killing kids because they aren't convenient. There is WAY too much of that in the world we live in now, much less one where there are hardly any living people left in it.

      • Eric

        First off that isnt the world we live in its a television show intended to shock and frighten and excite people! Its a Zombie soap opera.. but for arguments sake,if it was real overly sympathetic do gooders like you would be soon hucked into the evolutionary waste basket. Darryl and his brother and this new group of villans ,he wound up with, would soon inherit the earth. Places like Terminus would be founded by Jim Jones types if at all.

        • ogunsiron

          Shelly reminds me of Dale from the first season. A silly, good hearted, do gooder didn't last very long! Not that I despise good hearted people. I was very sad to see Mika go. Poor Mika :(.
          I didn't rejoice in Lizzies's death but I accept it as making perfect sense in the context of the series.

          She was completely and utterly unreliable. She caused enormous problems by feeding the zombies at the prison. She tried to kill the baby. She did kill little Mika. Why keep her prisoner or in chains for the rest of her life ? Is that a life ? It's also not practical at all when out in the open, trying to survive.

          Had they left her to fend for herself, she'd have died atrociously at the hand of either zombies or human predators. The post-apocalypse world is a harsh one .
          What Carol did was tough and horrible because it is after all a child that she had to kill. She had to do it, though.

  • Schultz Rl

    it was necessary. if she killed her sister, the infant would have been next. it was a jaw dropper. and you saw how she was playing tag with the walker. she had to go or no1 would be able to rest

  • Reid Rosefelt

    The show was NOT about there being only one choice. It was about Carol thinking there was only one choice. It was about who Carol has become and how sick and tragic that is. And by passively letting Carol do this atrocity for the greater good, it made Tyreese forgive her, something he could never have done before. He was an accomplice

    By the way, in the comic book it was a boy, a totally different character, and Carl killed him.

    The “Walking Dead” world is not about zombies, it's about the living. It's about the impact that the zombies have on people. All the most dangerous and evil creatures in the comics are other people. There are cannibals in the game. The zombies move slowly and make a lot of noise. People can creep up on you in the dark.

    • BethSue

      I think you hit the nail on the head. The writer of this article is looking at the issue from his perspective. It's about looking at it in the context of the characters on the show.

      • TLD

        Beth, it's also about Tim's misguided idealistic notion that every child can somehow be “helped.” After Sandy Hook, somehow the discussion turned to why the gunman's teachers didn't ‘help” him when he was a child in school. The sad and difficult truth is that even now, society simply does not have the structure nor the resources to help children who will someday grow up to be diagnosed as sociopaths, not to mention that true sociopathy often can never be “cured.”. For Tim to say he'd rather “help” her than shoot her only reveals how little he knows about the nature of true emotional disturbance in children.

    • Cyclops

      Carol did not believe that there was only one decision. She knew taht there were other decisions that could have been made. She even, in fact, tried other options; but they had little effect. She made the best decision that was available to her at the time and under the circumstances.

    • gharcourt

      It may be that Carol was in a lose — lose situation, or that she was twisted into thinking that she had “only one choice;” but if so, the show should have made that quite clear. Otherwise it's hard not to see them (the folks who produced the show) also as accomplices.

  • gharcourt

    Trust me — TV shows based on comic books are NEVER intended to help us make tough moral choices in difficult situations. Ploys like this are always about amping up the level of violence (often cleverly disguised as “great story telling” or “brialliantly tragic moments”) in order to please the fans, and give them something to fuss over the pros and cons of doing; and don't let Scott Gimple or anyone else try to convince you otherwise. And in any case, if there's anyone out there who actually needs or seeks out a show like Walking Dead to guide their moral and ethical development, maybe we're already in the midst of a slo-mo zombie apocalypse.

    • Reid Rosefelt

      Have you read the comics? That is exactly what they are about –moral choices. And the show is bullshit next to the comics. The comics are extraordinary and the TV show is mediocre.

      • gharcourt

        Actually, I did read the comics, often with quite a bit of enjoyment, up until the point where Michone nailed the Governor's penis to a board during their little confrontation in his inner sanctum — and it as right there that I said “Do I REALLY need this?”

        • Reid Rosefelt

          I agree with you 100% about that scene, which freaked out everybody. There is another scene involving a baseball bat which went too far. But I don't think you can knock apart over a 100-issue comic with a few scenes. Maybe my affection for the comics is over-the-top and uncritical by other people's standards, but it is better than the show. I find the show dumbed-down. Maybe someday they will make a series of movies out of the comic book. Which would make sense, considering that there is also a book and one of the most highly awarded video games of all time. And the whole center of the game was about the player making moral choices that they have to live with.

          • tim.molloy

            Agreed again.

          • gharcourt

            maybe I was just in a cranky mood — and in point of fact, I'm not really trying to bash anyone's particular entertainment choices. I may have been too peremptory in much decision to abandon the comic (it did have a lot going for it) but I did — and it's a “moral choice” I have to live with — just kidding. The fact that you love the comic while other people love the show (even if I don't really go for either) — that's all fine. If everyone liked all the same things for the same reasons: God how boring would that be? And for all I know, Walking Dead (either version) may actually get folks thinking about moral and ethical decisions — and that's fine. I'm just not at all sure that show runners make plot choices to seriously encourage those kinds if debates.[and if they think so -- I think they're delusional.]

        • Lydia

          Didn't he rape her though? I'd do the same thing if it happened to me.

      • gharcourt

        PS: Up to a point I thought the comics were really pretty good; although, with that endlessly open-ended format, they were also laboring under a ever-rising level of expectation, and it wasn't exactly for quiet reflection.

      • tim.molloy

        Agreed that the comics are a lot deeper and better than the TV show.

        • JT

          In a lot of aspects, yes. But this one, issue 61, I think the TV show went way deeper than that issue did.

    • BethSue

      Yes, it was a moral choice. But who said the show is trying to “help us”? It's not an Afterschool Special.

      • gharcourt

        No “work of art” (or TV show or comic book) can present a serious moral issue and [suposedly] take a position on it without endorsing a particular choice in particular circumstances — and that's “help” in organizing your own moral life, although I'll grant you that not many Sunday Schools are likely to pick up Walking Dead as a teaching tool.

        • BethSue

          Sorry, I don't buy that for a second. For one thing, that doesn't take characterization into account. For another, I don't believe that anyone is trying to instruct me in how to live my life. You are of course welcome to your own opinion.

          • gharcourt

            Actually, I'm willing to agree with that, because, in my view, the last thing Walking Dead actually wants to do is to “present serious moral issues.” Let alone take a side on what's “right” and what's “wrong.” They [the folks who put the show together] really do have absolutely no interest in how you live your life, or what the take-away is from their amoral violence. They just want you to watch.

  • ?????

    the story was adapted from the comic series if anyone cares

  • Dissin’ Terry

    ‘Brilliant writing'? ‘Magnificent storytelling'? That's a joke right? I'm sorry, but an entire 45 minute episode of any show with only 5 minutes of real plotting is horrendous writing, and has plagued this show for the majority if it's run. The Walkers move faster than this show. And by the way, ‘doing’ is action, so yes characters, everyone should be doing ‘something’ pretty much all the time, as action and character determine plot/story. And when episodes pass by with nothing ****ing happening, like The Walking Dead, the show starts smelling a little ripe (pun!). We should all do to the show what Carol did to Lizzie, put it out of its misery, as there seems to be no redemption for this brainwashing, knuckle dragging ‘crowd pleaser.’

    • tobester

      Troll much?

  • Cyclops

    Disagee on virtually every point made. All of the comparisons to people keeping zombies as “pets” do not apply. Lizzie was (still) a living, breathing, thinking person — a deadly dangerous living, breathing, thinking person. And think back to the first season when Rick killed Shane for a similar reaason.

    Carolyn is NOT a “ruthleess killer.” Her agonizing over what could be done with Lizzie befoire deciding on the ultimate solution proves that. This episode helps to illuminate Carolyn's thought processes when she was forced into similar action at the prison.

    Perhaps Mr Molloy, you would like to take Lizzie to travel with you and your infant child under totally uncontrollable circumstances as in the show? Knowing that at any minute she could free herself from her restraints and decide to show how much the dead really are just like the living?

    Lizzie had to die. Iit was a brilliant, poignant, heartbreaking moment. But it was mecessary.

    And I believe that Lizzie has been around ever since the farm, so the arguement that she was added just to kill her off seems misplaced.

    • tim.molloy

      I wouldn't want to hang out with Lizzie and try to rehabilitate her. But I'd rather do that than shoot her.

      Can anyone here honestly say that they would sooner shoot a 12-year-old, even a killer 12-year-old, than try to help them? I'm sure you'd work with the 12-year-old, frustrating as it would be.

      That's why the decision on the show felt contrived.

      • tim.molloy

        Also: If you'd rather shoot kids than work with them, please don't volunteer to be a Big Brother or Sister. :)

        • Meg Hinley

          Haven't seen many kids in the big brother/sister program that killed their sibling, almost killed a baby, and then thought you were upset with them for something completely different. Those kids are usually in intensive inpatient psychiatric treatment.
          You are SUCH a dolt.

          • Teirdalin

            @tim.molloy Are you really comparing kids whom don't have elder siblings to kids whom murder their siblings during zombie apocalypses because they want them to become zombies?

          • Meg Hinley

            THANK YOU!

          • ogunsiron

            The part where Lizzie doesn't even care much about what she did was so chilling. We knew she had something wrong with her for a while but she basically was a complete psychopath.

        • Admiral_Komack

          So not funny.

        • pootn20

          The girl's death fit right in line with what Carol had become: someone who disregard morality for the good of all. It also showed she didn't like who she was anymore. It made sense. Also raised the topic of the EFFECTS on children living in such a time

      • Ggeorge Washington

        It's not the now world in the show… Its a much different time.. with much different resources. How long would you sleep with your eyes open…knowing that any moment Lizzie could flip and lure walkers into attack you.. in a misguided effort to show you that they wanna be friends?

        • Wendy

          Tyreese needed to go through that agonising decision process with Carol to kill Lizzie, to then be able to forgive Carol for the other killings. He wouldn't have been able to forgive Carol if it hadn't have happened I don't think.

          The ‘Lizzie’ issue allowed him to see why Carol did what she thought she had to do, on both occasions.

          Carol still has a moral compass I think. But if she has to kill many more humans for ‘the good’ of the group I think things may start to shift inside her head, that she may not be able to return from.

          • KeithJack77

            Ohhhh, great point. I hadn't considered the Tyreese angle. Thanks!

      • Cyclops

        Given the apocolyptic world of TWD, yes, I would rather shoot Lizzie.

      • DeadWatching

        Guys, why was the infant daughter also killed by Carol and Tyreese?

        • archnophobia

          Why in the hell they kill Judith?

          • Teirdalin

            @Everyone saying “Why they kill Judith” try trolling harder, or if you seriously are wondering this: Watch the actual episode, spoiler: They don't kill her.

          • archnophobia

            3 Graves at the end and one with the shoes of Judith!!! and where they put Judith… at the end of the episode i saw 2 people walking with no baby…

          • tobester

            dude did you even really watch the episode? There was a grave ALREADY THERE!!!

        • Larry Lemons

          they didn't kill Judith, she was in the backpack on Tyrese's back as they walked away.

          • miguel

            they dug three graves and one with baby shoes on them. they killed Judith. But Why???

          • BethSue

            The grave with the baby shoes on it was already there when they arrived. It was in several scenes.

      • xomar80X

        What you need to remember is these people have been living in this world for a couple of years now. From our vantage point it would be unthinkable, but given the circumstances Carol's decision was completely justified

      • Jason

        It wasn't contrived. It was pulled directly from the comic that the whole show is based on. They changed the characters, but the same thing happened in it. But in this case they have given even more background on Lizzie's …issues..throughout the last season and why it had to be done. You can't try and psychoanalyze her while avoiding zombies, other people, and keep her from offing you or the baby (whom she already almost smothered to death once and meant to kill when they caught her). I thought the episode was incredible.

      • Rafael

        I would definitely rather shoot her than risk the life of my or someone else's infant. At the end it doesn't matter if she's twleve, she is dangerous, and this was the only thing they could do. There not in a position where they can help her, even when carol wanted lizzie to understand and apologize, lizzie apologized for the wrong thing, she didn't understand and there was no making her understand. I really think you are wrong here

      • Admiral_Komack

        Lizzie deserved what she got.
        Or would you prefer the baby be killed?

      • slushppy93436

        You guys wouldn't survive a zombie invasion..its either kill or be killed in that situation I think..

    • dani052566 .

      Agree with everything you've said, Cyclops. The writer of this article needs to open his eyes.

      And I think many posters on here believe it was Carol's sole decision, forgetting that Tyreese agreed with her and understood it was necessary.

      It was an amazing episode. Brutal? Yes. But great story telling, absolutely necessary killing of Lizzie and amazing acting by all four of the actors.

      • Ggeorge Washington

        I'm just thankful it didn't take 3 episodes to do.

    • KeithJack77

      Lizzie was brand new this season. The first time we saw her was when they were standing at the fence and she was naming the Walkers and Carl got all mad at her. Her dad died of the fever and basically “willed” her and Mika to Carol. Their whole point to the story (in my opinion) is to further develop Carol's character. It's better that they are gone…they were a drag to the story line, and “Mika's” acting was robotic. Granted she's a kid, but the kid who plays Carl was pretty young when this whole thing kicked off, and he's much more natural…actually, that's not right…that whole scene with Michonne a couple episodes ago with the cereal seemed very contrived and unnatural as well. again, my opinion

    • momosity

      I agree with the points you make, but you do realize the character is named CAROL, not “Carolyn”, right?

  • trajanc

    This show has become one long miserable self inflicted wound. Everything potentially interesting or illuminating is just steam rollered by the over whelming urge to shock. I thought much of the first season was brilliant but after that,,, I check back in now and then and I swear each time the show is more and more like a parody of itself. This episode more than any other. Despite the solid acting the contrivance and whacko logic of the situation made it all into a joke. Good article. Good summary.

    • jdssdj

      While Carol killing Lizzie might have seemed like a “kneejerk urge to shock” it was actually a conclusion to a pretty long plot arc that almost could not have ended up any other way. We saw many examples over many episodes of how Lizzie “wasn't quite right in the head” and her fate was likely going to turn out to be pretty bad no matter what happened. By setting up the situation where Carol had to deal with her we got to see what she was capable of and what this new post-apocalypse world requires people to do in order to survive. I think both you and the original article writer failed to take into account the greater story presented in all the episodes leading up to this and it left you with the mistaken idea that this was just a pointless attempt to poke the audience with an isolated moment of shock.

      • trajanc

        Could not have ended up any other way? Really? I could think of nearly infinite other ways the writers could have had it end up. But no, for them it had to go this way because,, well, you know my point.

        • raff

          I would have done what carol did and I know others would have also, meaning its not that crazy.

    • Eric Solis

      Check back now and then? That's like saying you liked the first chapter of Fear and Loathing, but skimmed the rest of the book and saying that all the tripping was for shock value.

      Thumbs down sir. Thumbs down.

  • lxd

    Am I missing something? Carol and Tyreese just went out of the estate with no further child. Meaning: 3 children were left. And as far as I remember there were two bigger crosses and one smaller.

    • BethSue

      Apparently you did miss something. One grave was already there when they arrived. They even talked about it as a possible reason for Lizzie being upset. Judith was on Tyreese's back like a papoose.

  • Caitlin Schultz Lee

    It made perfect sense to me. In a new, harsher world, Lizzie would either kill more innocent people or be killed and turn into a walker. The adults didn't really have the ability to watch her 24/7. They made the right decision.

    • Teirdalin

      To be fair, Lizzie is pretty much the one responsible for the prison getting flooded with zombies at least once; so she's already been trying pretty hard to kill everyone.

  • Adam Huss

    “Lots of kids have died on “The Walking Dead,” from Bicycle Girl to Carol's daughter Sophia. This death was more different because it wasn't zombies doing the killing”

    First off, “this death was more different”, is terrible grammar, so already this article's nonsensical point is discounted. Secondly, bicycle girl was not a child just because she was half the size due to the fact that she had no legs. I don't know many children who look like this. You're talking about the little girl in the pajamas who carried the doll. You are obviously not a fan of the show nor are you educated enough in the world of the show to even be writing about it. Lizzie told Carol and Tyrese she was about to kill Judith but they walked up. She tried to suffocate her a few episodes ago. She killed her sister!! Her cute, innocent little sister. Who was not annoying, but sweet and sincere. McBride played that scene so pitch perfect. It was heartbreaking and it all made sense to me as to why they had to go that far.. Best episode this season. Not one other show out there keeps me tuning in every week with anticipation. Why are you such a hater? Stop watching and reviewing the show, and find one of the 16 million plus who watch the show and enjoy it, to review it!

    • tim.molloy

      You found a typo on the internet. Kudos. Also, you used two periods instead of one in your ellipses, so your opinion is also discounted. How more sad for us both.

      • Teirdalin

        You seriously used “Kudos” as a full sentence, and then started your following sentence with the word also? I believe it's safe to say, that your opinion can be discounted as well as theirs.

        • LiLi5169

          Bicycle Girl was not a child…She was a mother of two. They give her back-story in the webisodes.

      • KeithJack77

        “more sad”? Nice. Get defensive about your writing much? Instead of resorting to personal attacks on people who don't like your poorly contrived article (that includes me by the way), why not go and do some critical thinking for a change. Sure, I wouldn't shoot a crazy pre-teen in the head right now. Put me in a zombie apocolypse,where most child psychologsts are probably already Walker-bait (or Walkers themselves)…I'm not going to worry too much about trying t find her counseling. It was Lizzie or it was, at best, Judith, and at worst, all of them. Lizzie had gone over the deep end, as evidenced by her being overly-sympathetic to the Walkers from the episode she was introduced in.
        Again, a poorly contrived article with very little actual thought as to the “reality” (this is a TV show after all) of the situation.

  • Ggeorge Washington

    Personally knowing that Lizzie was already a bit tweaked in the head… both adults should not have left them alone to go stroll looking for deer. Second at that point… I probably would have put Lizzie down too. A rare, but sad, instance of doing exactly what should have been done.

    • ogunsiron

      That'd have meant Lizzie getting eaten alive by zombies or worse, getting raped and killed by some humans and maybe even eaten by them. Lizzie had to die and the Carol tried her best to make it quick and painless.

  • utazdevl

    I find it very interesting that I agree with your overall assessment of the episode great acting, disappointing/contrived story advancement) but feel the exact opposite about the Lizzie character. I feel like Lizzie was painted in such a crazy fashion that the show cheated to make the viewer feel like she had to die. Over the course of the season, the show tipped the scales to make Lizzie so crazy that we had no choice but to want Carol to put her down. Feeds walkers, check, nearly kills Baby Judith, check, kills sister, check, tortures animals for fun, check. OK, she's certifiable, it is OK to kill her now.

    What I don't get is how this all resolves with the various moments that Lizzie acted “normal”, like when she was shooting the burned walkers last night or cowering in fear of them when she nearly smothered Judith earlier this season. Furthermore, what about Mika's walker resurrection? Lizzie said she killed Mika to prove to Carole and Tyrese that when you come back as a walker, you are not dangerous, just different. She was so intent on proving this fact that she pulled a gun on them to force them to give Mika time to turn. Once Carol convinces Lizzie to leave with Tyrese, does Lizzie just forget about Mika, and no longer want to prove her point, that her sister will still be her friend?

    So many people I have heard from are pointing to this episode as the gold standard for the show, but it didn't do much for me. Lizzie's character was so poorly set up I never really had any attachment to her, and Mika was so blatantly foreshadowed as lunchmeat I never bothered to care.

    • tim.molloy

      Agreed on all points. I don't think we disagree about the Lizzie characterization. I also think the writers stacked the deck against Lizzie in a contrived way, but couldn't even be disciplined about it. So sometimes Lizzie was a sadist, and other times she empathized with zombies. (But not rats, obviously.) If the point was that she was just all-over-the-map crazy, that's bad writing, too. “She's just crazy” is the least interesting motivation.

      • utazdevl

        We are of like mind, then.

    • tobester

      Who said crazy people were logical? Lizzie acted “normal”? I would point out that many utterly psychopathic serial killers were “Normal” appearing, Dahmer Gacy, Bundy etc. They were all 12 once too. They almost all started out torturing animals and could not comprehend that other people were “real”(let alone zombies). Would you be able to sleep in the same place with one of them? Care to try rehabilitating one of them while running for your life from shambling Cannibal corpses, other psychos, regular cannibals, rapists, murderers and thieves all while carrying a baby on your back and struggling to find enough food and water to survive? In that Milieu it was the only, agonizing decision. The fact they even stopped to think about it after she lowered the pistol shows how much humanity remains in Carol and Tyreese. It also illustrates that forgiveness has practical limits in this reality. The shows writers did a fantastic job of Illustrating her spiral into madness and the young lady did a marvelous job in acting it out.

  • jack ryan

    I agree with your review. It's all about the writing and this show has terrible ones. Once upon a time, I enjoyed watching The Walking Dead. No longer. The writers seem intent on “shocking” the viewer with “twists”. But I am not shocked at these twists. Only depressed. And certainly NOT entertained. I have no desire to immerse myself in stories about people shooting children in the head for the sake of entertainment. I'm done..

  • Bones Malone

    Tim Molly, do you know what was Lizzie's death in the comic?

    I'll tell ya, originally, Lizzie and Mika were Ben and Billy, boys instead of girls, and instead of just Carol and Tyreese, it was with the group.

    On the road to Washington, D.C., Ben brutally slaughters Billy, convinced that no matter what happens, people will always come back after they die. After locking him away, the group debates on killing Ben to protect themselves, but takes no immediate action. In the night, Carl sneaks into the van where Ben is locked up, and executes him. He is buried alongside his brother.

    I would of loved to of seen that. In my opinion, I would of liked at that moment where we see Lizzie standing there with that knife, then pops up Rick, Carl & Michone, and Carl shoots her in the face. But hey, at least Carol did it.

    This is what the show needs, it's not that it makes more of a drama, this felt like the first two seasons, not only survival, but most importantly, Horror. This episode had a lot of Halloween influence in it, it was a fantastic episode it needs to be like that. I'm not saying they need to kill off more important characters, I hated that they killed off Dale, T-Dog, and Hersholt. I'm saying enough of these random new comers and Human Tyrants like the Governor (though now that Abrahams hear, that idea won't change for awhile), and simply more Zombies, like the Burnt to the Core Zombies from this episode, if anything, those we're frightening, especially that first one that popped out.

    So take it easy Tim, this was necessary, and it came out in great results.

    • tim.molloy

      I've read the comics, and I think they handled this a lot better. For one thing, they didn't stretch out the arc over several months with several interruptions in between. It would have worked better for me if it were part of Carl's arc, but I think the show is trying to stretch, timewise.

      • Cyclops

        With this, I have to agree with Tim (shocking!). But this had to be in Carol's arc as it is her redemption. It triggers the coversation with Tyrese, which in turn will trigger her acceptance back into the group. And yes, I believe that the group will be back together in some faashion within the next two episodes.

  • norm

    third episode of the show (in a row) that was boring, dull and dragged on forever. Some of you are thinking too much. Its a zombie tv show , not a sad soap opera. Dont read too much into it. Found the last 3 episodes a waste of time. Show needs a bad person and some kinda direction. Hope last 2 episodes are better.

    • Cyclops

      What? and become another network TV show? The show has a baddie (and probably the best baddie out there) with the walkers.
      While I agree that I would like to see them reach Terminus, the trek there has been interesting. It is also an idea that I do not believe comes from the comics.

  • EB

    “Can anyone here honestly say that they would sooner shoot a 12-year-old, even a killer 12-year-old, than try to help them?”

    Pop culture has blunted our ability to contemplate tragic questions. Western civ (only because it’s all I know, I’m certain other cultures are similar) has a wealth of such stories that are no longer read and considered, because we don’t make time and would rather be entertained with the time we do have.

    Really contemplating the question of when it’s right to kill takes work, and humility, and time. And that contemplation doesn’t actually DO anything, not anything tangible. So hard work, with no “result”, gets short shrift.

    This episode was a tragedy that has been played out many times before in literature. Not commenting on the quality of the presentation – wrapped up in a Zombie show – simply on what the author(s) were trying to present. I’ve said about WD before – often their reach exceeds their grasp. I appreciate the effort.

  • etoille

    Daft critique.

  • disqus_ifdgANd7Ff

    This was a great episode and not a great review.

  • David Wayne

    For someone who writes about TV shows and film…..you don't seem to understand much about TV shows and film Tim. Or pretend or reality. Or reason or logic. When Z Day comes…..I predict you go quick dude.

  • John Marolda

    So you'd rather they chained her up making it so that any chance of surviving a large group of walkers was greatly reduced because then they'd either a) have to constantly protect a chained up, defenseless child as well as themselves and a baby. b) slow themselves down by having to try and run whilst carrying a chained up child. c) unchain her to help / run but be at great risk of having her then kill them because they've had her chained up, killed her ‘sister’ and because she thinks it'll be ok because you'll then come back? No sir, killing her was the most humane thing to do. Otherwise she would've ended up killing more people just to turn them and / or got herself killed by a walker because she thinks it's perfectly fine to be friends with them. Rehabilitation? Because every day wouldn't have been like an attempted rehabilitation? Think things through a bit more before posting such ridiculous articles

  • nicole

    Too bad most people on here choose to insult the author rather than produce a rebuttal to the debate.
    Personally, I don't like Carol's “kill every threat” attitude, but agree with her decision. Even if they keep LIzzie and disarm her, she may try to feed herself to a walker or harm Judith. Ultimately if you are unarmed in this world you are more likely to die or slow down your companions. I believe it was more humane to shoot her than to wait for her to succumb to a walker or struggle mentally with this world that confused her.

  • Norm Thompson

    this is the 3rd episode in a row that is boring, dull and just dragged on and on and on.Must have looked at my watch half a dozen times. This is a zombie tv show everyone, some people are thinking too hard. The show has become a bloody soap opera. There is no direction and no bad guy . Hope the show changes direction back to a zombie show filled with thrills and chills like it use to be.

    • ogunsiron

      I wouldn't be watching if the show was non stop gore, guts, zombies chewing on human flesh and stuff like that. Thinking too hard ? never.

  • Bhammer100

    The Walking Dead should take cues from Hannibal to create a great horror/drama show and have every episode be amazing week after week.

  • Meg Hinley

    The short-sighted individual who wrote this article is mistaken on several counts. Yes, yes they did have to do it. You'd think after watching 4 seasons of this show, Tim would realize there are worse things than dying from a quick, clean shot in the head.
    Without proper counseling and treatment, does he really think tying up Lizzie every time she couldn't be supervised would make her safer? No, it would probably make her crazier, and more defiant. Or she might have decided to escape, only to “befriend” walkers and end up dying a horrific, grisly death being torn apart and devoured by them. Or, walkers could have invaded in the night while she was bound and defenseless, to be torn apart and devoured anyway.
    Nice try, Mr. Molloy. Well no, not really. You didn't put much thought at all into your opinion.

  • Natasha

    I think, in the end, it was necessary. who knows if they would have been able to get help, and she was putting everyone at risk. Carol loved that little girl; she wouldn't have done it unless absolutely necessary. Not to mention that it might have been a mercy kill. It was obvious how messed up Lizzie was. I was a better fate than waiting for her to get one of them killed or to let herself be turned.

  • Larry Lemons

    I think it would have been better if the walker had bitten her while she was feeding him the mouse. That would have made the killing of Lizzie more profound.

  • jasonallen19

    Necessary. Kid was nuts, had no grip on reality, and was already one to be cruel.

    I couldn't have slept in the same square mile as her.

  • jokes_41

    There only reasonable decision was to kill her. The only other option would be to abandon her. She was to far gone. Even in the end she thought carol was upset over having the gun pointed at her and not about Micah. Keeping Lizzie but tying her up every night is just begging to have a major mishap. She'll have to prove to you how you're wrong. Unfortunately Lizzie was just warped by the reality of their situation. That's why carol killed her. It was humane. Lizzie wasn't coming back

  • Alexander

    The only option was death… you cant have a psychopathic youth, thinking that the walkers are her friends, running around, WITH KNIVES! She was broken and needed to be deposed of, her being a child was no excuse in this case, and she killed her sister for fuck sake.

  • Watcher 1

    I saw the three crosses for the graves and thought, “who's the third grave for”? I went back to where they found the one girl standing over her dead sister and then moved slowly forward, and the last time I saw the baby was when the two adults were in the house after the other girl was taken out back and shot. The man was holding the baby in his arms as she was very much alive… Then the next thing I saw was when they were burying all three children. So WTF? When did they ever say or show anything to as why or when the baby died? A horrible editing mistake? WHAT???

    • Bob

      The other graves were from the previous owners of the house they were staying at. Judith (the baby) is still alive.

  • Matthew Reynolds

    Yeah, whoever wrote this is a retard. Postapocalyptic world overrun with zombies, danger at every turn. Psychotic child who murders her sister and was planning on the baby next, no chance of mental recovery, I would have shot her too. Whoever wrote this clearly doesn't have a grasp on what a zombie world is really like. The child is psychotic. There is no therapy, no drugs, no hope. She is nothing but a consistent threat and burden, always attracting more zombies trying to feed them. More humane to kill her, she doesn't understand the concept of life and death anyways. Stop with your crackpot theories of “humanity”. Think humanity during colonial times. Shot. Dead. Sad. Move on. It's not about “who dies next”, purely about, what would you do for you and the ones you love to survive? Destroy all immediate threats. End of story.

  • https://www.facebook.com/1NKED Ty

    I thought this episode was the best this season and yes, they did have to kill Lizzie because she's dangerous; she kills innocent people and doesn't feel bad about it.

  • Callum.

    They knew how Lizzie was, killing her own sister was a final straw…. Lizzie may not have seen walkers and the living as different but she took her sister from one to the other by stabbing her, she admitted to being a dangerous liability and no, Carol nor Tyreese are child therapists. Quit bitching, The Walking Dead is nothing short of spectacular.

  • truebinx

    Ok genius what would you do if you were in the hypothetical situation that you were caring for 3 children in a post apocalyptic world and one of them murders another one in cold blood and doesn't even understand that what they did was wrong? Then says joyfully that they were about to do it to the other child? Your telling me that your stupid enough to let that little psycho live knowing their an immediate danger to another innocent and even more helpless child than the one that just got murdered? Please enlighten us all on how in your perfect little world you would have found a ‘better’ way.

    If it were me I'd have shot that child too, given the circumstances it was more humane than tieing her up or leaving her to fend for herself. You morons need to get a clue, there are worse things in this world than death.

  • Gavin Woods

    I don't agree. I would have preferred if neither had been killed (especially the younger one) but Carol had no choice. She couldn't be left alone with the Baby or anyone for that matter. Killing her quickly was the most humane choice. They couldn't leave her behind. She would have died in agony.

    Great, gritty writing. I was rather upset but it was brave writing.

  • Patrick vonSychowski

    NB: The name of the actress who plays Lizzie is Brighton Sharbino, not ‘Shapiro'. Get it right. And I don't see that the script writers had any option but to kill her.

  • Yes. I'm “THAT” Guy.

    Well this article seems to have been shit on by everyone. :p

  • mieek

    They had to kill her. They should have killed her sooner.

  • Teirdalin

    “The show killed Lizzie because it was dramatic, not because it made sense. So this felt like yet another big moment this season that the show didn't earn.” Wait, you mean it didn't make sense for her to kill a girl whom just murdered her own sister, and nearly wiped out everyone at their own camp, just because shes got a zombie fetish?

  • Teirdalin

    “The Governor was able to live alongside his daughter for months or years, even after she turned into a zombie. And Michonne is able to drag zombies behind her as she traverses the woods. Tyreese seems to manage with an infant on his back at all times.”

    a) The governor had her tied up in a cage.
    b) She broke off the jaws off the zombie's which caused them to lose their need to eat.
    c) Tyreese holding a child has absolutely nothing to do with taking a psychopath whom thinks zombies are the next step in human evolution, with you.

  • MIchael

    This event is meant to be like that from the comics, except the twin boys were replaced by MIka and Lizzie. There's one of the siblings that is messed up in the head and dissects animals then finally kills the other sibling. In both cases, the remaining sibling is murdered by another human so they wouldn't kill again.

  • Jarrod

    I disagree with the reviewer's opinion that Lizzie's death was poor writing. Lizzie, who was clearly mentally unbalanced, didn't have a mean bone in her body. And as was pointed out early on in the episode, people like that tend not to survive the new reality. This applied to both the young girls, but for different reasons. Huge thematic point there; and, come to think of it, “Not a mean bone in her body” would have been a more fitting episode title.

  • Juwan

    What happened to the baby, lizzie didn't kill her but they buried the baby?

  • Rdog

    Yeah the person who wrote this doesn't seem to understand that Lizzy is to messed up to deal with. How can they focus on survival from hordes of zombies and keep the crazy one contained all of the time? Now that doesn't make sense.

  • Bat God

    What a thoughtless article. Michonne's threatless walkers, the Governor's watched and carefully kept daughter, and a 20-40 pound weight on Tyreese's back does not equal constant vigilance to prevent a delusional child from murdering you at any opportunity she could grasp. There's no doubting that Lizzie was much too damaged for the killing of her sister to be her last.

    Like you said, there are no child or criminal psychologists around, and even if there were, I highly doubt many of the usual tactics would work in the high trauma exposure world of an apocalypse. Do you honesty believe the moral decision in this toss-up would be leashing Lizzie, gagging her, impeding her movements, doubtlessly keeping her from a sound sleep, and constantly keeping a watch on her? Do you think Lizzie would have some sort of magical recovery in that situation rather than even further regression?

    If they had left Lizzie on her own she would have been eaten alive by walkers or, if she somehow survived her delusions that walkers are friends long enough, she would have killed someone else. Her storyline could have been written better, but this was the only choice to make in Carol's situation.

  • chris

    Your stupid. It made sense. I would have done it

  • fpoon36 .

    In the comics the decision to kill the kid wasn't at all unanimous and that they didn't make it right away. They locked the sibling away till they could come to decision on what to do. Then while everyone is sleeping the person that does it acts on their own in secret. Only the killer and like two people knew who did it while the rest of the group never find out.

    In my opinion it was better than how the show handled it and I don't know why they didn't try and go that route.

    The writers used it to resolve the whole Carol/Tyreese thing (a cheap way to develop Carol's character and have Tyreese forgive her) and get rid of two characters who were probably going only thought up for this very moment. And they knew it would appeal to the kind of people who watch this show and think “It was the only way. I would have done it.” (basically the people who really think they'd be the ultimate bad-ass in these situations.)

  • Del

    Only thing I hated was the PG nature of it.

  • Shelly Leit

    It was bad, lazy, sloppy storytelling. No way did Lizzie have to be shot. There were 400 other options, none of which Carol or Tyreese, with all the time in the world, even bother to discuss. The brief discussion they did have, where murder was their option, felt predetermined and scripted. It felt like bad writing and no, not great acting either. A bunch of crying does not make it good acting. The Walking Dead has never had good writing though. Think of other apocalpytic shows and movies… they don't shoot perfectly healthy kids in the head, just because they are inconvenient. I'm starting to think the writers are psychopaths.

    • Mike Skillz

      Feel free to list the 400 options and watch logic shoot them down. Hell, I'd be impressed if you got past 10.

  • Game_Row

    Dude, she had to go. In the world they live in it's the only thing to do to survive. The path Lizzie was taking she will grow up to be worse than the governor…and they don't need more of him.

  • Tom S

    Please, this is fiction, storytelling. There are no real zombies and no child was hurt making this episode. Romeo and Juliet was contrived storytelling, but effective.

  • david

    holy crap when she kileld her sister i didn't know it would go that far, i realized she was crazy after knowing she feeds walkers and wants to be one. she is insane and extremely dull because she didn't know why carol was made at her, and she didn't know that killing her own sister was bad and caused her sister pain.

    • ogunsiron

      Exactly. Minutes before she dies she thinks Carol is made at her for some random unconsequential reason! Carol didn't try to lecture her. She just ended the pain and the misery and the danger. Lizzie was completely and utterly gone forever already.

  • walking dead fan for now …

    I want to know know if Judith is still alive? They held the frame for a while at the end of the show on an infant grave, marked with baby booties, then Tyreese and Carol leave empty handed ~ no baby!!! What the check?! That's way too dark for me!!

  • KidRunner

    Seems like the author of this article, probably didn't read the comics. Lizzie and Mica take the roles of the twin boys from the comics. If you remembered the older one does kill live animals and also his brother, then carl seeks in and kills him, because none of the adults want to.

    Yes the comics and the show have different characters and the story line, doesn't follow each other in order. But both story lines are indeed the same when you take a step back and re-visit certain events.

  • avnrulz

    Quit pissing and moaning and read the Graphic Novels to understand the back stories to all these characters.

  • Isabella Diablo

    My BIG problem with this story was how clueless Carol was! Anyone can see that Lizzie was at a breaking point. Yes, I know that in the zombie apocalypse everyone is at a breaking point, but she was REALLY losing it! Then they decide to leave her and the other girls unattended and a group of burnt zombies show up. So, what do they do after the girls almost got killed? They leave them AGAIN the next day!!! Hello! Really??? Gee, did both of you HAVE to go walking in the woods? Next time supervise the kids, watch out for warning signs of mental breakdowns, and who knows you may not have to shoot a little girl in the head….

  • WDisgreat

    Clearly the writer has no clue when it comes to crafting narrative. The death of Lizzie had nothing to do with whether it did or did not need to be done. It wasn't about Lizzie, it's about Carol and in killing Lizzie it gives more insight into a character that the show is continuing to develop. Carol's killing Lizzie and the two at the prison reinforce her belief that she is doing the right things to keep people safe. It is horrible, but in this post-apocalyptic world that the writers created it is appropriate.
    I think this writer's problem is that he wanted Lizzie to be a character that continues to grow and develop throughout the show, but I think it was a mistake to ever believe that would be the case. There are a certain number of characters that the writers have chosen to focus on and their story arcs are the ones that we are going to follow. The other characters that populate those arcs are there to help develop that important character – Lizze and Mika fulfilled their roles as we now understand more about Carol.

  • pootn20

    The girl's death fit right in line with what Carol had become: someone who disregard morality for the good of all. It also showed she didn't like who she was anymore. It made sense. Also raised the topic of the EFFECTS on children living in such a time.

  • Guest

    To Shelly & a few others,
    How long have you been watching the show? I've watched from
    NIGHT 1 on. You need to understand the universe in which they live, it's
    an alternate one. They don't KNOW what zombies are/were in the
    beginning, or what caused the outbreak or how to KILL them. Hell they didn't even have a NAME for
    “zombies”. In their world it's called SURVIVAL, PERIOD. Carol & the
    group made it perfectly clear back @ the Prison what these things are
    & what they can do. (We need to remember this has been happening for a period of 2+ years now.) Thus the need to defend ones-self against them
    & the classes that were taught to the kids & others. Remember Lizzie, Mika & her dad
    LIVED in Woodbury, they KNEW what was outside those barriers even then.

    Now
    to Lizzie. Liz was feeding the walkers, drawing them into the prison and
    almost wiped out everyone because she baited them @ the fence & in the
    “tombs”. She wasted resources & lives. The death of her father while
    it fazed her, it didn't really “bother her” (thus the blood on the
    floor/toe scene). She killed, frogs, bunnies, mice etc. for “amusement”.
    She didn't see the need to kill walkers, she viewed them as “friends”
    who could “talk to her” & “play” w/ her. She attempted to smother
    Judith & then even contemplated turning her, but agreed to WAIT
    until she could walk AFTER stabbing her sister to PROVE HER POINT, “just wait & see, you'll understand!” That
    is NOT the signs of a mentally healthy individual, that is one of a
    psychopath, schizophrenic or serial killer.

    What do you do?
    Carol spoke w/ her after the fence/burning walker attack & made her
    understand what is going on in this world, the dangers etc. She said she,
    “knows what she needs to do now”. They left her alone w/ Judith NOT
    knowing she was the one feeding the
    Walkers, killing baby bunnies, frogs, and potentially her own sister, she was slightly “confused” was all!
    She didn't show remorse for killing her own sister, ONLY sadness &
    regret for “upsetting” Carol by pointing a gun @ her! She didn't
    understand the concept of taking a life, even after all of the DEATH
    she's witnessed & caused. She was HAPPY to shoot the Woodbury lady
    w/ the gun, (Mika didn't) she enjoyed killing animals by her OWN hand or
    feeding them to walkers. She thought you just “came back different”.
    There is a reason zombies are working @ the local fast food joint because they are “different”.You don't come back, there aren't second chances (see earlier episodes w/ Rick @ the prison before the Gov. attacks) in this world & it's NOT an
    excuse. After 2yrs in this living hell you KNOW how the world works, there is NO way around it.

    To
    imprison/rehab Lizzie would be an option in our world… maybe it'd
    work, probably not, she's pretty messed up. IF she were 18yrs or even 16
    yrs old in OUR world she'd be charged w/ premeditated murder &
    probably life w/o parole or even the death penalty, using the above
    evidence. In their world, when constantly moving, surviving, foraging
    etc., you don't
    have a solid base anymore you can't do that, you can't rehab someone.
    This isn't like going cold turkey on Booze like Bob. You either leave
    her to her
    OWN devices (a brutal death & Walker snack) OR you do the humane
    thing and end her mental suffering and the possibility of her hurting or
    even killing others you care about (Judith) or the group.

    You
    need to put yourself in their world & NOT think of the one we live
    in. If you've ever been in combat it's prob. the same feeling. A
    constant state of fear, worry, dread, anxiousness, dark humor,
    loneliness, and sorrow. I hope this helps.

  • The ICON

    Shelly,
    How long have you been watching the show? I've watched from
    NIGHT 1 on. You need to understand the universe in which they live, it's
    an alternate one.They don't KNOW what zombies are/were in the
    beginning, or what caused the outbreak, they didn't even have a NAME for
    “zombies”. In their world it's called SURVIVAL, PERIOD. Carol & the
    group made it perfectly clear back @ the Prison what these things are
    & what they can do. Thus the need to defend ones-self against them
    & the classes that were taught. Remember Lizzie, Mika & her dad
    LIVED in Woodbury, she KNEW what was outside those barriers.

    Now
    to Lizzie. Liz was feeding the walkers, drawing them into the prison and
    almost wiped out everyone because she baited them there & in the
    “tombs”. She wasted resources & lives. The death of her father while
    it fazed her, it didn't really “bother her” (thus the blood on the
    floor/toe scene). She killed, frogs, bunnies, mice etc. for “amusement”.
    She didn't see the need to kill walkers, she viewed them as “friends”
    who could “talk to her” & “play” w/ her. She attempted to smother
    Judith & then even contemplated turning her, but agreed to WAIT
    until she could walk AFTER stabbing her sister to PROVE A POINT! That
    is NOT the signs of a mentally healthy individual, that is one of a
    psychopath, schizophrenic or serial killer.

    What do you do?
    Carol spoke w/ her after the fence/burning walker attack & made her
    understand what is going on in this world, dangers etc.She said she,
    “knows what she needs to do now”. They left her alone w/ Judith NOT
    knowing she was the one feeding the
    Walkers, killing baby bunnies, frogs, and potentially her own sister!
    She didn't show remorse for killing her own sister, ONLY sadness &
    regret for “upsetting” Carol by pointing a gun @ her! She didn't
    understand the concept of taking a life, even after all of the DEATH
    she's witnessed & caused. She was HAPPY to shoot the Woodbury lady
    w/ the gun, (Mika didn't) she enjoyed killing animals by her OWN hand or
    feeding them to walkers. She thought you just “came back different”.
    You don't, there aren't second chances in this world & it's NOT an
    excuse. After 2yrs in this living hell you KNOW how the world works, there is NO way around it.

    To
    imprison/rehab Lizzie would be an option in our world… maybe it'd
    work, probably not, she's pretty messed up. IF she were 18yrs or even 16
    yrs old in OUR world she'd be charged w/ premeditated murder &
    probably life w/o parole or even the death penalty, using the above
    evidence. In their world, when constantly moving, surviving, foraging
    etc., you don't
    have a solid base anymore you can't do that, you can't rehab someone.
    This isn't like going cold turkey on Booze like Bob. You either leave
    her to her
    OWN devices (a brutal death & Walker snack) OR you do the humane
    thing and end her mental suffering and the possibility of her hurting or
    even killing others you care about (Judith) or the group.

    You
    need to put yourself in their world & NOT think of the one we live
    in. If you've ever been in combat it's prob. the same feeling. A
    constant state of fear, worry, dread, anxiousness, dark humor,
    loneliness, and sorrow. I hope this helps.

  • Hoekom Jy My Haat

    Yada, yada, yada… Easy to maintain that view while sitting at a computer screen in the non-Zombie. Bet if you were in such a situation you'd think differently.

  • Andrew P.

    Carol made the right choice. Plain and simple.

  • BrentB

    I think this was a well written opinion piece, that being said, I have to completely agree with everything that you wrote. First starting with your last bit about how Lizzie and Mika were annoying, I thought both girls did an awesome job all season portraying how kids would react with this new world. The writers didn't take the easy route by having the girls be scared, background characters (like Sophia). The girls reminded us that kids don't completely understand things in the real world, so trying to comprehend what this new zombie world is, actually brought the audience back to the main point of the show, “How do people act when the world begins to fall apart around them?”. I, personally, always think of the show as more of a character study than a horror show.

    For the rest of what you wrote. Although you did bring up a good point of how Tyrese and Carol could keep Lizzie away from knives, I think the point should be who can you trust? In this new, zombie-filled world you need to be in a group to stay alive, (Michonne being an exception of course) and you must always think about the group. Carol and Tyrese knew that they would have always had to keep their eye on Lizzie, which would just be a distraction. Distraction = not focused, which would lead to them probably getting ambushed by walkers.

    On top of that Lizzie would just be a wild card, you would never know what she'd be up to next. She could be planning another “Mika incident” for the rest of the group or plan on bringing walkers back to play with the group. She was just unpredictable, which again would just be a distraction for the group.

    Finishing up, to survive you need to be in a strong group that you can trust to both help and protect you, and with Lizzie apart of the their group, they just couldn't have that. Lizzie could never be trusted again, after not understand that
    killing her sister was wrong, (again she thought Carol was mad at her
    for pointing the gun towards her). I think that in this world you have to always be thinking about how you will survive and having Lizzie around made it nearly impossible to rationally do. I believe the killing was justified and humane.

  • Jonathan

    “The Governor was able to live alongside his daughter for months or
    years, even after she turned into a zombie. And Michonne is able to drag
    zombies behind her as she traverses the woods”

    I don't really think keeping the corpses of your loved ones counts for much. If it were me who has been zombified, I would want to be put down. Both to maintain my dignity and to ensure that I never somehow get to hurt anyone else. At the end of the day, the person itself is gone – it's the shell that keeps on … “living” isn't even the right word.

    In the dangerous world these characters inhabit, I really don't see any other choice in front of Carol. I don't believe the article illustrates any options. You said it yourself, “There don't seem to be any child psychologists wandering the post-apocalyptic countryside”, so really, were they expected to always keep an eye on Lizzie? Carol stays awake while Tyreese rests and vice versa, so they can make sure the little girl doesn't murder them at some point? I don't think that is a luxury they can afford when they need all the strength they can get all the time.

  • Rod

    Sorry, in a world where you can't even sit down and cook a skinned rabbit without zombies showing up to ruin the party you don't have time to deal with psychotic little girls and give them ‘counseling'.
    Would you want to go to sleep with little Lizzy in the house?
    Keep her away from knives? Really?! Could probably find a dozen things in your house that could be used to kill a sleeping, helpless person. No matter the size.

    It was absolutely necessary.

  • MollyScandalicious

    Totally agree! Lizzie didn't have to die.The whole episode was rushed and pushed down our throat. Why did Lizzie choose this very episode to snap? It is unclear. Besides, she didn't kill Mika out of spite, she just wanted to prove her point to Carol and she (Carol) could have used Mika's death to prove to her (Lizzie) once and for all the walkers are not humans. Altho’ ”The Grove” is one of the best episode of the entire series, thanks to the performance of all the actors involved, i have to say the whole Lizzie thing was a miss, they should've taken time to develop the story and properly ends it in S5.

  • BrentB

    I think this was a well written opinion piece, that being said, I have
    to completely agree with everything that you wrote. First starting with
    your last bit about how Lizzie and Mika were annoying, I thought both
    girls did an awesome job all season portraying how kids would react with
    this new world. The writers didn't take the easy route by having the
    girls be scared, background characters (like Sophia). The girls
    reminded us that kids don't completely understand things in the real
    world, so trying to comprehend what this new zombie world is, actually
    brought the audience back to the main point of the show, “How do people
    act when the world begins to fall apart around them?”. I, personally,
    always think of the show as more of a character study than a horror
    show.

    For the rest of what you wrote. Although you did bring up a
    good point of how Tyrese and Carol could keep Lizzie away from knives, I
    think the point should be who can you trust? In this new,
    zombie-filled world you need to be in a group to stay alive, (Michonne
    being an exception of course) and you must always think about the
    group. Carol and Tyrese knew that they would have always had to keep
    their eye on Lizzie, which would just be a distraction. Distraction =
    not focused, which would lead to them probably getting ambushed by
    walkers.

    On top of that Lizzie would just be a wild card, you
    would never know what she'd be up to next. She could be planning
    another “Mika incident” for the rest of the group or plan on bringing
    walkers back to play with the group. She was just unpredictable, which
    again would just be a distraction for the group.

    Finishing up,
    to survive you need to be in a strong group that you can trust to both
    help and protect you, and with Lizzie apart of the their group, they
    just couldn't have that. Lizzie could never be trusted again, after not
    understand that
    killing her sister was wrong, (again she thought Carol was mad at her
    for pointing the gun towards her). I think that in this world you have
    to always be thinking about how you will survive and having Lizzie
    around made it nearly impossible to rationally do. I believe the
    killing was justified and humane.

    • Tom Kwiatkowski

      Very well thought out response, but I think you meant to type that you “completely disagree” with the person to whom you were responding.

  • truth

    There not just doing it for the lulz, there was a very similar situation in the comics, right around the same time in the plot.

    I'm just going to say it to… They did the right thing, like really having to constantly watch, and keep under lock and key, some psychotic little girl, who's constantly trying to attract zombies, and trying to get herself and everyone around her infected, they have an infant to take into consideration, not to mention there own lives. She was going to get herself bit on purpose anyway. They just did it before she got the chance to really mess things up on her suicidal rampage.

    If your going to do an article on one of the most popular shows on television, at least know the back story.

    Very distasteful, and ignorant article.

  • Pfizzy

    a couple of points here. First was that Lizzie was the greatest threat to their safety after you find out she was the one feeding the Zombies at the prison, and after she says to Carol about killing her sister, “but she will come back”. Enough to worry about in a life and death world than to have to add that to the group. Second point is that this event allowed Carol and Tyreese to talk about Carol Killing his girlfriend, and that decisions have to be made for the safety of the group that very few people are capable of making them, but Carol is. She is so emotional, and it gave new light on the situation to Tyreese when Carol tells him and slides the gun to him. It was brilliant acting and writing to have it come out this way, and Tyreese who has been headhunting for the killer now sees it a bit differently, he may not have liked it, but he saw it and understood it. Carol is not a cold hearted bitch, she is the matriarch of the group, and she loves them all, and she will protect them all even if the decision is this difficult. We need more mothers like carol, she would straighten out todays youth:)

  • R. O.

    Wow, this is probably the most shortsighted thing I have ever read. Talk about Monday morning quarterbacking.

    You, sir, have lost perspective. Ironically, you have lost perspective much like the little girl in question.

  • Lori

    You write “Lots of kids have died on “The Walking Dead,” from Bicycle Girl to Carol's daughter Sophia.” You should really watch the webisodes. Bicycle Girl was not a child.

  • Kitsi

    The writers never cease to amaze me, they think of all the emotional, physical, and sometimes unphysical conditions. Certainly “this group of survivors” did what they thought best at the moment. Here's hoping they survive. But in this kind of world?

  • SmokeySea

    Mr. Molloy has done a fine job of writing a piece that is crying out for responses at best and delusional at its worst. This article is meant to be inflammatory and far from logical. I also agree with the many responses, there is no system in place to help care for and rehabilitate, let alone support a person who has become as dangerous or more so than Lizzie. Nice attempt at introducing rainbows and unicorns to a post apocalyptic zombie infested world Mr. Molloy. Truly Absurd.

  • Victor Jarvis

    Right decision. If they let her go on her own she might kill some unsuspecting person in the future fooled because she appears to be a harmless young girl.

  • Gwen McGraw

    Children do not make out well in a zombie apocalypse. This episode broke my heart but killing Lizzie was necessary. She had a psychotic break and no one could bring her back. She almost killed Judith on the railroad tracks, trying to smother the baby. Her mind could not reconcile the horrible world they all live in now and her mind broke.

  • sean deason

    The writer obviously does not understand the seriousness of the situation. Putting Lizzie down was the ONLY option. It saved her from a much more grisly demise at the hungry hands of one or more of her “friends”, which was the inevitable conclusion to her lack of comprehension of, and refusal to live in, the real world.