Editor’s note: The following story contains graphic content.
Rochelle Herman-Walrond — the former Florida journalist who helped bring disgraced former “Subway guy” Jared Fogle to justice — appeared on “Dr. Phil” Thursday to play secretly recorded conversations with Fogle that allegedly reveal his sick fantasies.
Over the course of the episode, Herman-Walrond described how Fogle — who she met when he appeared on her radio show — quizzed her about children she knew, and instructed her on how to lure the children into sex.
Herman-Walrond described how, shortly after meeting Fogle, “He told me how hot he thought middle school girls were.
“I was thinking to myself, ‘Did he really just say that to me?'”
Believing that Herman-Walrond was a kindred spirit, Fogle allegedly became more explicit in his discussions with her, and suggested sexual scenarios between the two of them and underage children.
“Do you want to watch me (expletive) a young girl too?” Fogle is allegedly heard asking Herman-Walrond in one recording. “Will you (expletive) a young boy?”
Fogle went on to suggest traveling to a foreign country, possibly Thailand, to hatch his plan.
“It would just make things a lot easier — if we’re gonna try to get some young girls with us. It would be a lot easier probably,” Fogle is heard saying on one of the recordings.
Herman-Walrond (pictured above) revealed that she would describe fictitious children to Fogle, such as a seven-year-old named Melissa and Brad, a 10-year-od boy.
“So which of — which of the kids do you think are the most promising?” Fogle asked in one conversation.
“He told me that he preferred middle school,” Herman-Walrond told host Phil McGraw.
“Have you thought about (expletive) Brad’s (expletive) ?” Fogle said in one recording. “Would you share, would you share his (expletive) with me?”
In the recordings, Fogle can be heard coaching Herman-Walrond on how to gain children’s trust, and suggesting that she wear a provocative swimsuit. He suggested “trying to get them as sexed up as we can and then just sort of taking it from there.
“It would be so much fun for us, you and I,” Fogle was heard saying in one recording.
Herman-Walrond would eventually turn the recordings over to the FBI as they built a case against the former sandwich pitchman.
Fogle pleaded guilty in August to receiving and distributing child pornography, as well as engaging in an unlawful sex act with a minor.
As a condition of the plea deal, Fogle agreed to a sentence of no less than five years in prison, and the government will not seek a sentence longer than 12 and a half years. However, a judge could give him a longer sentence. He will also undergo treatment for sexual disorders upon his release and will register as a sex offender.
Fogle has paid out $1 million in restitution to his victims so far, in the form of $100,000 checks to 10 of his victims over the past several weeks, the Associated Press reports. He still has to pay out a total of $400,000 to his remaining four victims.
Fogle will be sentenced on Nov. 19 by U.S. District Court judge Tanya Walton Pratt.
The second part of McGraw’s interview with Herman-Walrond will air on Friday.
Watch the video from Thursday’s broadcast below.