HGTV, Food Network and TLC boss tells TheWrap how she likes to ”push“ viewers ”back and forth“ between her channels
Whether you’re handy, hungry, or hopeful for more “Hot & Heavy,” Kathleen Finch has the cable channel for you — and for millions of your friends.
Last month, 11 of Discovery, Inc.’s 19 domestic networks grew double digits in TV ratings, year-over-year, among adults 25-54. Of those, more than half — TLC, Cooking Channel, Food Network, American Heroes Channel, Great American Country and Discovery Life — are run by Finch.
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With those cable channels, plus HGTV under her purview, Finch has the luxury — and the brains — to effectively concede different nights of the week to herself. (In our lengthy interview, she also demonstrated the humility to deflect credit for the success, redirecting praise to her “team” with each opportunity we provided Finch to brag a bit.)
On any given night, 20% of all women ages 25-54 — the key demographic for her Lifestyle brands group — watching cable TV are tuned in to one of Finch’s networks. Finch’s entire strategy is to “push them back and forth” between her offerings, she told TheWrap.
“If TLC has a huge show on Sunday night, we’re going to let TLC have that Sunday night,” Finch said. “Then we’ll have ‘Celebrity IOU,’ and that’s going to be HGTV’s big night. We’re going to put that on Monday.”
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Finch (pictured above, isolating at home) said the strategy of not cannibalizing her portfolio’s hits is “very calculated.”
It’s also a successful one. Finch runs the Top 2 non-news cable channels across both total day (6 a.m. to 6 a.m.) and primetime (8 p.m. to 11 p.m.) day parts. (HGTV is No. 1 in total-day viewers, Food Network is No. 2; In primetime, TLC is No. 1 in viewers, HGTV is No. 2.)
Other big nights on her channels include Wednesdays on ID Network and weekends on Food Network and Cooking Channel.
Further down the Nielsen sheets, in primetime, five of the 30 most-watched cable channels are Finch’s. In total day, she runs four of the Top 15 cable networks.
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So what is Finch doing right — or at least, doing differently, from other network groups?
“We sit down together as a team, and we share ideas as a team, and we share showrunners, and we share producers, and we pitch ideas back and forth,” Finch said. “I think the power of bringing all these brands together, and putting all the smart people who are responsible for them together, has unleashed creativity that independently we never would have had.”
She added: “To me, one of the most exciting meetings that we have every week is getting all of the creatives together and just bouncing ideas off of each other — which we’ve done an incredible amount of now that we’re in quarantine because one of the first things we discussed was, ‘Alright, the pipeline is getting squeezed, what are we going to do?'”
What they did was send GoPro cameras and iPhones to the homes of Guy Fieri, the “90 Day Fiancé” cast, and all of their other popular personalities. The move is working out well, especially in the case of “The Pioneer Woman,” for one example of a show with both an improved vibe and ratings from the at-home version.
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In terms of that challenged pipeline she referenced, Finch is “not concerned.” A number of her hit series, especially those on Food Network, bank their shoots.
“We’ve got episodes of ‘Chopped’ that will go into 2021,” Finch said, citing another of her winners in the culinary space.
Plus, she expects some of these quarantine shows to work, a sentiment echoed by boss David Zaslav at the MoffettNathanson Media and Communications Summit on Monday. (Zaslav has recently gushed about Finch’s leadership and their morning meeting — readers can listen to the head honcho bring up those topics at MoffettNathanson here and on the Discovery Q1 earnings call here.)
Finch is open to these stripped-down (and significantly cheaper, as Zaslav likes to point out) versions of series continuing beyond this scary time. And when we’re back to normal(-ish), Finch ‘s team “can really turn around a show very, very fast,” she told us. After all, there are no actors and no scripts and that makes for a very quick shoot.
In other words, Finch’s networks are good now and are set up for a strong future, despite uncertainty from COVID-19. Expect more wins than losses.
HGTV's 'Flip or Flop' Contractors Ranked by Profitability (Photos)
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HGTV
Tarek and Christina El Moussa have made millions on HGTV's "Flip or Flop," using roughly a dozen contractors along the way. TheWrap has ranked each contractor and pair by how much profit they've generated. Scroll through the gallery to see who's been the best hire.
Also Read: ‘Flip or Flop’ Star Christina El Moussa’s Relationship With Gary Anderson ‘Bothered Me,’ Tarek Says
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HGTV
Rank: 14
Contractors: Steve Cederquist/Carlos Zepeda* (pictured)
Net profit: $18,750
Number of flips: 1
Average profit: $18,750*Zepeda is a homeowner that is credited as a contractor by Wikipedia's episode guide.
Also Read: ‘Flip or Flop’ Star Shoots Down Reconciliation Talk: ‘We’re Both Going Our Separate Ways’
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HGTV
Rank: 13
Contractors: Tony Perez/Frank Miller
Net profit: $37,600
Number of flips: 1
Average profit: $37,600 -
HGTV
Rank: 12
Contractor: Jeff Lawrence
Net profit: $478,172
Number of flips: 8
Average profit: $59,771.50Also Read: ‘Flip or Flop’ Star Tarek El Moussa Reveals When He Might Reconcile With Estranged Wife Christina
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HGTV
Rank: 11
Contractors: Julio Rodriguez/Frank Miller
Net profit: $62,200
Number of flips: 1
Average profit: $62,200 -
HGTV
Rank: 10
Contractors: Israel Battres/Jessie Rodriguez
Net profit: $65,000
Number of flips: 1
Average profit: $65,000Also Read: ‘Flip or Flop': Here’s How Much Money Tarek and Christina Have Made on HGTV Show’s Renovations
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HGTV
Rank: 9
Contractor: Tony Perez
Net profit: $68,050
Number of flips: 1
Average profit: $68,050Also Read: ‘Flip or Flop’ Star Christina El Moussa Splits With Contractor Gary Anderson
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HGTV
Rank: 8
Contractor: Daniel Messina
Net profit: $499,078
Number of flips: 7
Average profit: $71,296.86Also Read: Christina El Moussa Does First Live TV Interview Since ‘Flip or Flop’ Split (Video)
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HGTV
Rank: 7
Contractor: Frank Miller
Net profit: $1,039,600
Number of flips: 14
Average profit: $74,257.14Also Read: ‘Flip or Flop': Here’s How HGTV Hit Has Fared in TV Ratings Since Stars’ Breakup
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HGTV
Rank: 6
Contractors: Akeli Slade/Jeff Lawrence
Net profit: $74,300
Number of flips: 1
Average profit: $74,300Also Read: ‘Flip or Flop’ Divorce Won’t Change Our Schedule, HGTV Says
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Rank: 5
Contractor: Israel Battres
Net profit: $1,491,150
Number of flips: 20
Average profit: $74,557.50Also Read: From ‘Flip or Flop’ to ‘Fixer Upper,’ 25 HGTV Shows Ranked by Ratings (Photos)
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HGTV
Rank: 4
Contractor: Don Jensen
Net profit: $243,400
Number of flips: 3
Average profit: $81,133.33Also Read: ‘Flip or Flop': Here’s HGTV Show’s Most Profitable Project (So Far)
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Choice TV
Rank: 3
Contractor: Steve Cederquist
Net profit: $561,350
Number of flips: 6
Average profit: $93,558.33Also Read: ‘Flip or Flop': That One Time an HGTV House Flip Actually Flopped
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HGTV
Rank: 2
Contractor: Jake Rigel
Net profit: $434,500
Number of flips: 4
Average profit: $108,625 -
HGTV
Rank: 1
Contractors: Steve Cederquist/Pete de Best* (pictured)
Net profit: $130,550
Number of flips: 1
Average profit: $130,550*De Best is called a "Real Estate Investor" on the show, though credited as a contractor by Wikipedia's episode guide.
Also Read: Cable Ratings: Fox News Tops HGTV, Nickelodeon to Win February
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No, Izzy’s not No. 1 — or even in Tarek and Christina El Moussa’s Top 3
Tarek and Christina El Moussa have made millions on HGTV's "Flip or Flop," using roughly a dozen contractors along the way. TheWrap has ranked each contractor and pair by how much profit they've generated. Scroll through the gallery to see who's been the best hire.
Also Read: ‘Flip or Flop’ Star Christina El Moussa’s Relationship With Gary Anderson ‘Bothered Me,’ Tarek Says
Tony Maglio
TV Editor • tony.maglio@thewrap.com • Twitter: @tonymaglio