Superhero movies are notorious for set pieces in which entire cities collapse around fighting heroes and villains. But “Doctor Strange” director Scott Derrickson wanted to go in the opposite direction.
“You can create screen stimulus in other ways,” said the director, whose past films include the horror movie “Sinister.” “But you just have to create. You have to be inventive… It’s about a different approach to screen stimulus and to giving people their money’s worth when they’re paying to see a big event movie.”
Without giving away too much, that means that “Doctor Strange” won’t rain death on Manhattan, like the climactic battle in “The Avengers,” or endanger countless Sokovians, like “Avengers 2” did. At humanity’s darkest hour, Strange (Benedict Cumberbatch) does pretty much the opposite of every other superhero ever.
TheWrap talked with Derrickson about breaking the rules of superhero movies, finding the magic in the Marvel Cinematic Universe and which Beatles project helped inspire the look of “Doctor Strange.”
TheWrap: What was it like going from the horror genre to the super hero genre?
Scott Derrickson: My first instinctive answer is that it was nice to work on something more positive. And not have my headspace in something so dark for so long. But it was also weirdly similar because of the fantastical nature of the movie. In my horror movies, I was always trying to deal with real characters and real character drama played by good actors … Laura Linney, Ethan Hawke, Eric Bana, and Tom Wilkinson, people who don’t do horror normally. And watching characters, real characters, encounter the fantastical. So in this case I got actors of this caliber who are dealing with the fantastical, so that’s the crossover. It felt oddly similar, just not as dark.
How much of a challenge was it to develop the magical side of the MCU?
It was hugely challenging. There was a commitment that I had to not repeating magic of the past because I think magic in movies has become signified by certain things. Magic wands, going back to “Fantasia,” and certainly the “Harry Potter” franchise had it’s own way of dealing with magic. And I just wanted to find a new way to make it feel more tactical and real and surreal. And to root it in gestures as opposed to spoken incantations and things like that. And it was always an attempt to redefine what magic can feel like.
How did you bring the wild and fantastical elements of the classical Steve Ditko comics to a grounded and real cinematic universe?
Some of them, like the dark dimension, that’s straight from the comics. That was really an attempt to capture the quality of that artwork. I think most of the time it was a desire to get my head into what the comics were, at the time, in the ’60s. It was so psychedelic, and so reaching for the surreal I think is the best way I can put it. In a free-flowing, fun kind of way. That’s what psychedelic art was, that’s what psychedelic music was. And so I was so immersed in that in my own mindset that I didn’t want to make something that was nostalgic. I wasn’t trying to reach back to the ’60s aesthetic. … I’ve got these incredible tools in visual affects. What can I do that’s the 2016 version of that?
If you could choose to direct another superhero film what would you choose?
I think it’s a safe bet. Were there any films that influenced the visuals and imagery of the film?
It was more psychedelic artwork and comics from the “Magic Mystery Tour.” “The Oath” graphic novel was the big influence for the astral battle. I’m just going to run through the set pieces. The sanctum fight was really from the comics. The mirror-dimension chase, certainly I’m standing on the shoulders of “Inception.” That movies was seven years ago, but that’s a movie that I was inspired by because it wasn’t using visual effects for destruction. And I felt like it was the tip of a very interesting iceberg. So my thought was, can we take that to the Nth degree and take it way more surreal and way farther. But I certainly owe something to that movie. In the same way that Chris Nolan took from “Her Majesty’s Secret Service” and sort of upped that game for the finale of “Inception.” That was an influence.
Certainly for the end sequence, that’s the comics and the dark dimension as well so the comics are far and away the main inspiration in terms of movie influences. Their bits and pieces. This movie is so odd and unique there wasn’t a lot for me to feel. It was like ‘Sinister’ was very inspired by ‘Klute’ and ‘Blowout’ and there were specific movies that I was really drawing on. And in this case it was just much more of the comics.
Did you find working within an established cinematic university restricting, or did it allow for more storytelling opportunities?
It was not restrictive. Because we were free to draw from the comics in any way we wanted to and there’s a lot of comics. I wanted to stick with the Ditko league comics mostly, and “The Oath” and “Into Shamballa.” Those were the primary resources. But in terms of working within the MCU and having this exist within the Marvel Cinematic Universe, there was no pressure. The places where it’s laced through there felt effortless. And I tried to not think much about it, frankly, because I wanted this movie to totally feel different from all the others. This is Strange’s movie, he’s not part of the MCU during the course of the movie. Not yet. So I wanted his experience to not feel totally like the other movies. It is a darker, more grounded tone on the one hand, and much more weirdly… fantastical movie at the same time. I was trying to create something that was uniquely Doctor Strange.
Definitely. Talk about, if you can, your approach to Dormammu.
That draws obviously somewhat from the comics, but he’s a guy who’s walking around with a fire head, a big fire head. And I liked the idea of him being an other-dimensional being and not having access to our world because he’s been blockaded. There’s a movie that I drew on, “Lord of The Rings,” in that I definitely was drawing on Sauron… because I wanted Dormammu to be ultimately the villain, but I liked the idea of the movie moving into a boss fight. Because I grew up on video games like most people my age, and the idea of going through this journey of weirdness and ending it with a boss fight. So I liked the idea of the Dormammu boss fight and him having kind of a human avatar. Having someone who’s channeling his power throughout the movie — and that’s why we picked Kaecilius, a very obscure, small character in the comics that we breathe that life into.
“Doctor Strange” opens Friday.
All 29 Marvel Cinematic Universe Movies Ranked, From Worst to Best (Photos)
Nobody on the internet wants to talk about the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but it's a topic we just can't go on ignoring. But seriously: even though this seemingly unstoppable franchise has rabid fans across the globe, no one can agree on which ones they like best (or least, for that matter). TheWrap's Film Reviews Editor Alonso Duralde takes his own stab at the subject -- and no, he's not getting paid by anyone at Disney to like (or dislike, for that matter) any of these films.
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29. “The Incredible Hulk” (2008) Released just five years after Ang Lee’s “Hulk,” this second attempt to make a leading man out of the big green Gamma-radiated creature proved to be similarly disappointing. If we’ve learned anything from the Avengers movies, it’s that Bruce Banner works best when he’s a supporting character (and when he’s played by Mark Ruffalo).
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28. “Ant-Man” (2015) While this movie deserves credit for not putting the fate of mankind on the line -- the stakes are more child’s-toy-train-sized -- the film’s stabs at humor seem overplayed, and little of Paul Rudd’s natural charm comes to the forefront of what should be a breezy caper. We can only wonder what Edgar Wright’s original version might have been like.
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27. “Thor” (2011) Director Kenneth Branagh nails the thee-and-thou of the Asgard segments, but the small town where the climax plays out is one of the screen’s cheesiest fake cities since the terrible 1980s “Supergirl” movie. On the upside, actor Chris Hemsworth demonstrates a twinkly wit in this thunder god adventure, matched with impressive brawn.
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26. “Iron Man 2" (2010) The best MCU movies do a good job of distracting you from all the setting-up of future franchise entries; this one offers so much empire-building that it might as well have a “Pardon Our Dust” sign on it. Still, the first appearance of Scarlett Johansson as the Black Widow, dispatching a hallway’s worth of opponents, made an unforgettable impression.
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25. "Captain America: The First Avenger" (2011) Much as he did in “The Rocketeer,” director Joe Johnston excels at portraying the gloss of the 1940s, although the characters aren’t nearly as vivid as the USO bunting. But fear not, true believers -- Cap’s onscreen adventures got way better in his subsequent solo and team movies.
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24. "Thor: The Dark World" (2013) Firmly average, yes, but an improvement on its predecessor and a straight-up good time, skillfully balancing superheroics, second bananas, entertaining villains and the occasional killer one-liner. By no means a cornerstone of the MCU, but this one, mostly, works.
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23. “Iron Man 3” (2013) Director and co-writer Shane Black doesn’t always have the tightest grasp on the story -- what does the nefarious Extremis do again, and why? -- but he shows off his skill at witty banter (which Robert Downey, Jr. can perform within an inch of its life) and breathtaking action (a mid-air rescue of a dozen passengers who have just tumbled out of Air Force One).
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22. "Thor: Love and Thunder" (2022) Taika Waititi brings back the quippiness that made his "Thor: Ragnarok" such a treat, but with themes and plot elements – including terminal cancer and man grappling with God's silence – better suited to an Ingmar Bergman drama, this fourth solo outing for the Thunder God winds up a tonal mess. Still, some of the jokes land, and Chris Hemsworth and Natalie Portman remain one of the MCU's most engaging couples.
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21. “The Avengers: Age of Ultron" (2015) It’s always fun when the band gets back together, but it’s also difficult to recapture the magic of that first time. This sequel offers plenty of excitement and Joss Whedon-scripted badinage, but it’s also a little overstuffed with supporting characters and set-ups for the next round of MCU movies. Lovers and haters of superhero movies can both find bolsters for their arguments here.
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20. "Eternals" (2021) This ambitious effort absolutely stands apart from what anyone might consider the MCU formula, but with such a huge team of new characters -- all of whom have lived for millennia, molding human history along the way -- this super-team might have been better served with a Disney+ limited series rather than crammed into a single feature film.
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19. "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2" (2017) The band is back together, and they're as bristly hilarious as in their first outing, but overall this sequel feels like it's just vamping (entertainingly) until the next major plot shift in the MCU. Kurt Russell pops up as Ego the Living Planet, who claims to be the long-lost father of Peter Quill/Star-Lord (Chris Pratt), and while the movie is more concerned with character and emotion than plot, not all of the moving moments ring true.
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18. "Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness" (2022) Even with Sam Raimi at the helm, adding as much visual pop and funny-scary jolts as he can manage, this second solo outing for the Master of the Mystic Arts is too crammed with incident and new characters and parallel storylines and magical doodads to breathe and to let us enjoy our returning heroes, let alone the newly-introduced America Chavel (Xochitl Gomez).
17. Ant-Man and the Wasp (2018) This sequel has a better sense of its own silliness than its predecessor, as Ant-Man (Paul Rudd) and The Wasp (Evangeline Lilly) run from the feds, battle the dimension-phasing Ghost (Hannah John-Kamen) and thwart the plans of a mobster (Walton Goggins), all while planning a rescue of The Wasp's mom (Michelle Pfeiffer) from another dimension. Feels more Disney -- in the Kurt-Russell-as-Dexter-Riley sense -- than Marvel, but still fun.
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16. Captain Marvel (2019) The self-fulfillment and the 1990s retro are both played with a fairly heavy hand, but there's lots of fun to be had here, from Brie Larson's heroine, both ebullient and haunted -- nothing like amnesia to spice up yet another origin story -- to one of the greatest feline second bananas in cinema history.
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15. Black Widow (2021) Even if Scarlett Johansson, finally getting to headline a superhero saga of her own, winds up doing a lot of baton-passing to new characters, this stab at 007-style globe-trotting and espionage introduces Florence Pugh, Rachel Weisz and David Harbour to the MCU with style and swagger.
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14.-13. "Avengers: Infinity War" (2018)/"Avengers: Endgame" (2019) These two get a tie because, essentially, there's two halves of one mega-movie. And that mega-movie manages to keep a sense of humor in the face of genocide while eventually providing some rare catharsis and finality to a serialized story. The grand finale of this two-film cycle left lumps in many viewers' throats.
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12. "Spider-Man: Far From Home" (2019) This second outing from director Jon Watts and leading man Tom Holland maintains the larkish tone and emphasis on characters that makes these films feel like such a unique corner of the MCU. This time, the post-snap (or "blip," as the film calls it) Peter Parker and his pals head to Europe in a movie that feels like a road comedy which occasionally busts out some superheroics.
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11. "Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings" (2021) New faces (Simu Liu) and screen legends (Tony Leung, Michelle Yeoh) come together for an exhilarating mix of magic and martial arts that feels both of a piece with the Marvel universe and something entirely different and unique.
10. "Spider-Man: No Way Home" (2021) Peter Parker faces the music in a movie that brings Tom Holland's iteration of the character to the "With great power..." stage of suffering and sacrifice while also providing the sheer lark of Holland, Andrew Garfield, and Tobey Maguire (as Spideys of alternate universes) sharing the screen.
9. "Thor: Ragnarok" (2017) Director Taika Waititi ("Hunt for the Wilderpeople") strikes a delicate balance between breathless action and fate-of-the-universe stakes on one hand and tongue-in-cheek silliness and snappy banter on the other. Luckily, he's got Chris Hemsworth, who excels at both, surrounded by the witty likes of Tom Hiddleston, Mark Ruffalo and franchise newbies Tessa Thompson, Jeff Goldblum and a gloriously over-the-top Cate Blanchett.
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8. "Captain America: Civil War" (2016) The plotting and pacing aren't as tight as in "Winter Soldier," but if you're looking for dark human conflict and rousing superhero-on-superhero action, this movie does a whole lot right that "Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice" did wrong.
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7. "Iron Man" (2008) It all starts here -- a superhero origin story for literalists who can’t get behind exploding planets or radioactive spiders. Jon Favreau, then most famous for directing "Elf" and writing and co-starring in "Swingers," seemed an odd choice for the material, but he knows how to give us both the characters (played by Downey and Gwyneth Paltrow with panache) and the ka-blam.
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6. "Black Panther" (2018) While Chadwick Boseman's titular African king-superhero takes something of a back seat to a troika of fascinating female characters -- played by Lupita Nyong'o, Danai Gurira and Letitia Wright -- the movie nonetheless overflows with excitement and rich backstory. (And Michael B. Jordan's Killmonger ranks among the franchise's greatest villains.)
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5. "Spider-Man: Homecoming" (2017) Less guilt-driven and haunted than previous iterations of the character (on the page or screen), Tom Holland's Spider-Man has enough on his plate dealing with his superhero growing pains. Hungry to join The Avengers but still grappling with all he has to learn -- he's only 15, after all -- our hero faces off against blue-collar bad guy The Vulture (Michael Keaton, Birdman at last) in an adventure that's breezy and funny while also featuring genuine stakes, terrific characterizations and wonderfully detailed casting. (You gotta love a teen movie that works in Zendaya, Tony Revolori, Abraham Attah and Josie Totah, plus scene-stealing newcomer Jacob Batalon.)
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4. "Doctor Strange" (2016) It would be all too easy to make the spell-casting Master of the Mystic Arts look ridiculous on the big screen, but somehow director Scott Derrickson and his crew gave us a version of surgeon-turned-magician Dr. Stephen Strange (Benedict Cumberbatch), who seems at home in the real world, rubbing shoulders with the Avengers, and traversing trippy, eye-popping dimensions where none other could go.
3. “Guardians of the Galaxy" (2014) Breezy, flippant and soaking in the super hits of the ’70s, this comedy adventure is something of an outlier -- both tonally and geographically -- in the Marvel Universe. Still, whether or not Rocket Raccoon and Black Widow ever cross paths, this star-spanning saga was a reminder that there’s more than one way to tell a superhero story.
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2. “Captain America: The Winter Soldier" (2014) Aggressive patriotism meets anti-government paranoia in this exciting tale that pits the Captain against labyrinthine conspiracies. It also turns out that Steve Rogers is way more interesting displaced in time in the 2000s than firmly at home in the 1940s. And you will believe The Falcon can fly.
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1. “The Avengers" (2012) Still the gold standard of the MCU, this movie reveals that Joss Whedon gets comic books down to their DNA, in the same way that Steven Spielberg and George Lucas were fluent in the language of serials in the “Indiana Jones” movies. Putting all these heroes in one room (or helicarrier, anyway) yielded terrific results, even if the film’s success led to the all-superheroes-all-the-time ethos of contemporary Hollywood.
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TheWrap film reviews editor Alonso Duralde orders the MCU, including ”Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness“
Nobody on the internet wants to talk about the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but it's a topic we just can't go on ignoring. But seriously: even though this seemingly unstoppable franchise has rabid fans across the globe, no one can agree on which ones they like best (or least, for that matter). TheWrap's Film Reviews Editor Alonso Duralde takes his own stab at the subject -- and no, he's not getting paid by anyone at Disney to like (or dislike, for that matter) any of these films.
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